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  • The H Family

    April 27, 2021 at 7:55 am

    It seems that there has been some misunderstanding about what we said concerning the opening of the Jordan River, although we’re unsure how that can be. We have never hidden the fact that we do not hold to a naturalistic interpretation of either the Red Sea or the Jordan River crossing. For any of those who misunderstood, please re-read the original post.

    Moreover, our second post on Sunday (which may have been overlooked) should have cleared up any confusion as to our position on these matters. Especially in light of @dr_petrovich ‘s wonderful and pertinent response. For the sake of clarity for HFS readers, we have included that post and its reply here below.

    The H Family Timothy Mahoney, Douglas Petrovich and Jason S. DeRouchie

    1 day, 18 hours ago

    It was once mentioned by someone here on HFS that individuals like William Dever and Douglas Knight became atheists/agnostics because no one ever answered their questions. It’s also been said that this website should take more of a missionary (evangelism?) approach, rather than a pastoral approach.

    However, we fail to understand how many of the posts in these forums are doing an adequate job to answer the questions of people like Dever and Knight, when many of them are focused solely on “explaining everything away” by natural causes and subtracting from the Word of God. How would any atheist or agnostic or unbeliever be convinced that the Bible is indeed the trustworthy Word of God, when professing Christians are undermining it and do not believe what it says? And by extension, why would they believe the Gospel message that is rooted on that Scriptural foundation? If we remember correctly, it was this very same question that started Mr. @tim Mahoney on this quest and investigation in the first place.

    Besides @dr_petrovich , @dr_derouchie and a few other scholars, if we were an outsider reading many of these posts, we would come to the conclusion that this site is frequented by skeptics and denies the authority of Scripture. Many of the posts are discouraging because their denial of the trustworthiness of God’s Word detracts from the Gospel message of Jesus dying for sinners. If every miracle in the Bible has to be explained by a naturalistic mechanism that can be explained by “science,” then how can anyone be really certain that the Bible is telling the truth about Jesus rising from the dead? “If Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins” (1 Corinthians 15:17). When you cast doubt upon any portion of Scripture by your subjective interpretations, you’re also discouraging and undermining the Gospel itself. And contrary to what one person said about trying to convince skeptics and atheists to believe, the result is that many are being led astray. Or unbelievers are remaining in an unsaved state. And atheists and agnostics are allowed to remain in their ignorance and pride. What is a real shame is that a majority of the posts here show clear evidence of very intelligent minds and amazing thinking capabilities, but those abilities are being used to cast doubt on that which they are claiming to support.

    Douglas Petrovich <time datetime=”2021-04-25 18:36:14″ data-bp-timestamp=”1619375774″>1 day, 18 hours ago</time>

    You are exactly right, H Fam: this forum is not working anything like what Tim Mahoney envisioned. I would add that many or most of these ‘intelligent’ skeptics do not actually know the issues from a truly scholarly point of view, but simply spout off as if they have some type of authoritative knowledge. They are neither trained in biblical exegesis nor in ancient Near Eastern historical studies (or in the case of one individual, not trained well at all.

    Skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and those who deliberately try to twist the Scriptures are all in the same camp. They’re all unbelievers. God is never unclear in His Word. And we’re never going to apologize for what He says. Unbelief, if it’s not repented of, will lead to an eternity in hell. Either you take God at His Word, or you don’t. We were all conceived and born in sin. But God offers salvation through the merits of Jesus Christ, to all who desire it. “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:17).

    We realize that this might be more of a “pastoral approach” than most like. Once again, they say that a “missionary approach” is better. But in reality, they ought to be considered the same — a Biblical approach — because they are supposed to be preaching the same Gospel-message of salvation through Jesus Christ. That’s the good news in all of this: even atheists and agnostics have the opportunity to repent and find salvation in Christ alone. That was actually the testimony of diver Aaron Sen in Mr. @tim Mahoney’s April Panel Discussion video: he was an atheist and became interested in the Bible and God because he realized that naturalistic explanations fail to truly explain these things.

    We wonder just how many atheists, agnostics, and Bible skeptics feel free to criticize the God of the universe and declare Him a liar; when, in fact, they have never really read the Bible in its entirety, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. It’s a wonderful practice to get into the habit of reading the Bible through in its entirety on a regular basis; you end up learning so much!

    For anybody who really doesn’t understand what we’re saying, yet doesn’t want to spend an eternity in hell; the ministry of exists solely to help people find answers to their questions and learn about the wonderful relationship you can have with the Lord Jesus. Another similar ministry that provides answers from a true Biblical perspective is