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  • Thomas Donlon

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    March 10, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    Hi Deborah, I’m not intending to add any thoughts here just some Biblical data, in case people don’t get the picture. These are just some things that the Bible records God has done that generally aren’t always considered miracles. And this is from memory, unverified, so take this list accordingly if anyone wants to cite anything.

    • Levi and Simeon slaughtered the men of Shechem, but God saved the lives of Jacob’s family by putting fear in the inhabitants of the area so they would not join forces and attack the family.
    • God spoke to Laban in a dream (to keep Laban and his family from doing injury to Jacob).
    • God helped Esau to chill out so that he didn’t attack Jacob. Whether or not through the wisdom of Jacob’s gifts to Esau.
    • Jordon splitting and waters piling up elsewhere. (Ok often considered a miracle.)
    • David was protected from Saul’s approaching forces when the word came to Saul that the Philistines were invading the land, just as he was closing in on David.
    • Saul went into a cave where David was hiding.
    • Saul and his men were put into a deep sleep when David penetrated the encampment of Saul and borrowed Saul’s spear and water jug.
    • Peter caught a fish with a coin in its mouth.
    • The disciples met a man who had a room Jesus could use for the last supper.
    • The disciples found a donkey that no one had ridden on.
    • God had helped frustrate the cunning counsel of Ahithophel both by coincidence (Ahithophel asking to also get Hushai’s advice) as well as David foreseeing the necessity of sending Hushai to thwart Ahithophel’s advice.

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    And then there is the book of Esther. Doesn’t even mention God in it. The whole book has a few remarkable happenings. Timing that is incredible, and incredibly bad for Haman.

    Gideon routed the Midianites but God had to do several real miracles just to encourage Gideon. Yet the miracles involving dew on fleece and not on fleece were rather low scale miracles. Gideon still was scared and God arranged for Gideon to hear a dream being interpreted on the outskirts of the Midian camp. David somewhere in the Psalms praised God for giving him songs. David praised God writing he “trained my hands for war” and David praised God for knitting him together in his mother’s womb. And God is praised for making clouds and sending rain. We don’t have a separate Christian discipline of biology and meteorology. And a Proverb says “The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but victory belongs to the Lord.” And God through a prophet gave Ahab advice on how to battle the Arameans. Replace the commanders with young commanders. And the scripture indicates the King that had a group of (from memory, and possibly wrong) there was something like 31 Kings arrayed against Ahab’s forces. But they were in their tents getting drunk according to scripture. Ahab’s forces were greatly outnumbered. The result was miraculous and even Ahab’s enemies had attributed their loss to the power of Israel’s deity or deities as they thought.

    Yet another battle which by appearances Ahab thought he had the upper hand and the assistance of Jehoshaphat, but God had determined to destroy Ahab and a “random” shot by an archer hit between some armor plates that Ahab was wearing and so Ahab died. This though is the kind of analysis that a materialist can be confident that “random” forces were at play to take out Ahab. the Bible even uses the word “random” so it is correct. Yet God also decreed Ahab would die. Ecclesiastes says “time and chance happen to them all.” Yet Jesus also talked about God knowing the number of hairs on our head and that a sparrow would not fall apart from the will of God. David in a Psalm wrote that “all my days were written in your book before any of them came to pass.” So was God dictating all circumstances or was time and chance playing a role? Or do we fail when we try to limit God according to our thinking?

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