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  • Deborah Hurn

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    January 31, 2021 at 6:18 am

    OK, I have skip-read Rudd’s webpage and typed a few notes.

    https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-kadesh-barnea-southern-border-judah-territory.htm

    The S border of Judah (hence of Canaan because Judah is the southernmost tribe) runs to the S of Kadesh, yes. Num 34:3-5 and Josh 15:1-4 both say so. This is clearly describing an arc from the Dead Sea across the Zin wilderness to Wadi Arish to the Med Sea. Any other reading is ungrounded.

    Num 34:3-5 NRSV [Y]our south sector shall extend from the wilderness of Zin along the side of Edom. Your southern boundary shall begin from the end of the Dead Sea on the east;  (4)  your boundary shall turn south of the ascent of Akrabbim, and cross to Zin, and its outer limit shall be south of Kadesh-barnea; then it shall go on to Hazar-addar, and cross to Azmon;  (5)  the boundary shall turn from Azmon to the Wadi of Egypt, and its termination shall be at the Sea.

    Kadesh being ‘technically’ within the border of the Promised Land is not a problem. Why does Kadesh have to be outside the border of Canaan-Israel? This is a wilderness region, and only travellers went through here. It is not a contradiction for Israel to be at Kadesh in the Wilderness of Zin and still be hoping to enter Canaan proper.

    The early CE historians and geographers (Josephus, Eusebius) didn’t know where Kadesh, Mount Sinai, or Mount Hor were. Israel had lost touch with these regions during the kingdom period, lost even more knowledge during the exile to Babylon, and it was all a big blank thereafter until quite recently. Josephus embellishes the Red Sea crossing, partly for lack of reliable geographical information. Eusebius as a 4th C Christian relied partly on Jewish tradition, by then some centuries less informed. He also got some things wrong.

    Why does Rudd want Kadesh in the Transjordan? He has a Saudi Sinai, I guess.